Jo:
I had planned to write a final comment to all of this nonsense but I decided
that I had better things to do and children don't always understand things they
THINK they. I also doubt that I can write as eloquently as you or Sam. I do
know a bit about TM, 16+ years, I have some education, Ph.D., and as a part
of it I was required to take a few courses in statistics. I know HOW TO design
studies and that sample size is critical, whether it be a n=1 study or some multilevel
experimental design. It is obvious that the protagonists do not. So since I feel like
many I've decided that I can stop the nonsense. IGNORE THE IGNORANCE
AND CHILDISHNESS and when I see the senders name and we know who I simply hit,
DELETE
Fires don't burn without fuel.....
Roger
Jo Ellen Finkelstein wrote:
> JSp3690010 wrote:
> >
> > Wow, I've been listening to this debate about an alternative method that
> > someone is happy with.
> >
> > I've been on less than a month, this kind of arguing doesn't usually happen,
> > does it?
> >
> > Well, being the conservative Canadian that I am supposed to be, I am going to
> > sit right on the middle of the fence (but I'll probably end up with a pressure
> > sore!)
> >
> > In my 13 years of disability (or whatever politically correct term you choose)
> > I have come across hundreds of suggestions, some ridiculous and some at least
> > worth listening to.
> >
> > The method I would like to explore more is positive thinking. The fact that
> > some people use herbs, chemicals, magnets, whatever has no bearing on the
> > issue. Why do things seem to work for some people? When I first became
> > paralyzed, I heard so many stories of people walking again because they
> > thought their way to it. "C'mon toe, move," c'mon foot and et cetera. I must
> > say that I tried it, day and night as a twelve year old but had no success.
> > But I can't dispute the fact that some people seem to beat the odds. What is
> > the explanation? A devine hand? An ancient art? Or the power of the mind?
> >
> > Every weekend, I have the same conversation with a co-worker while we work
> > midnights. He says I can think my way to it. He says, "Think about it. How
> > much do we really know about the mind? The central nervous system? The
> > brain?" He raises some valid points. Why can some people walk on broken
> > glass or pick up hot coals with their bare hands and not feel a thing? Who
> > can explain those rare cases of medical miracles that the media sometimes
> > portrays (and I'm not talking about the blue dot in that stupid National
> > Enquirer or whatever either!) Mind you, he tells me I must also learn to
> > concentrate. He learned this through yoga. I'm thinking of trying it. If
> > anything, I may improve my circulation, flexibility and mental well being.
> > Besides, learning something new won't kill me. But I won't wait for any
> > miracles after 13 years.
> >
> > Lots of things probably seemed ridiculous at one point or another. Creating
> > moving and close-to-real prosthetic parts for amputees.....organ
> > transplantation.....cloning. Where did all these wonderful (not so sure about
> > cloning) ideas come from? Someone's head - nuf said.
> >
> > Jennifer in Windsor, Ontario, Canada (probably be known as the crazy canuck
> > who's outta her mind after this! LOL)Hi Jennifer, (and everyone else) Joellen here. I agree, lets not fight
> among ourselves, for the most part I find that a lot of healthcare
> people don't know diddly about TM so I try to educate people as much as
> I can when they ask about it. Case in point: I was in the hospital for
> chest pains and problems breathing this weekend (decided after many
> tests that it was just SEVERE anxiety attack) and the resident in
> charge of my case didn't know anything about TM so I told him all about
> what it is and how it can happen to anybody without warning. Maybe he
> listened and will be aware of it, maybe he ignored what I said, who
> knows. The nurses were all so surprised by how much I did for myself,
> (bed to chair transfers with my slide board, dressing myself etc.) and I
> told them about TM and what it can involve also. Unless we educate
> these people about this they won't know. My roommate also got a short
> version of my "lecture" on TM. The more people who know about it the
> better off we will be. Since many of the medical commun ity don't know
> that TM exist and what it is, how can they say what WILL or WON'T work
> on us, for some people these things may be a waste of time and money,
> but if they work for you they are not a waste. I for one am glad to
> hear of something which may work on one of my own problems, I have tried
> somethings and they have worked for me, otherthings simply didn't but
> they were worth a try since my Doctors didn't have anything to offer as
> far as help goes. I personally hope that some of the technology from
> Star Trek (or one of the off shoots) becomes available soon (beam me up
> Scottie!!!!)
> LOL ;) Joellen
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Jo:
I had planned to write a final comment to all of this nonsense but I
decided
that I had better things to do and children don't always understand
things they
THINK they. I also doubt that I can write as eloquently as you
or Sam. I do
know a bit about TM, 16+ years, I have some education, Ph.D., and as
a part
of it I was required to take a few courses in statistics. I know HOW
TO design
studies and that sample size is critical, whether it be a n=1 study
or some multilevel
experimental design. It is obvious that the protagonists do not. So
since I feel like
many I've decided that I can stop the nonsense. IGNORE THE IGNORANCE
AND CHILDISHNESS and when I see the senders name and
we know who I simply hit,
DELETE
Fires don't burn without fuel.....
Roger
Jo Ellen Finkelstein wrote:
JSp3690010 wrote:--------------E043D2D68E24A900D663CF93--
>
> Wow, I've been listening to this debate about an alternative method that
> someone is happy with.
>
> I've been on less than a month, this kind of arguing doesn't usually happen,
> does it?
>
> Well, being the conservative Canadian that I am supposed to be, I am going to
> sit right on the middle of the fence (but I'll probably end up with a pressure
> sore!)
>
> In my 13 years of disability (or whatever politically correct term you choose)
> I have come across hundreds of suggestions, some ridiculous and some at least
> worth listening to.
>
> The method I would like to explore more is positive thinking. The fact that
> some people use herbs, chemicals, magnets, whatever has no bearing on the
> issue. Why do things seem to work for some people? When I first became
> paralyzed, I heard so many stories of people walking again because they
> thought their way to it. "C'mon toe, move," c'mon foot and et cetera. I must
> say that I tried it, day and night as a twelve year old but had no success.
> But I can't dispute the fact that some people seem to beat the odds. What is
> the explanation? A devine hand? An ancient art? Or the power of the mind?
>
> Every weekend, I have the same conversation with a co-worker while we work
> midnights. He says I can think my way to it. He says, "Think about it. How
> much do we really know about the mind? The central nervous system? The
> brain?" He raises some valid points. Why can some people walk on broken
> glass or pick up hot coals with their bare hands and not feel a thing? Who
> can explain those rare cases of medical miracles that the media sometimes
> portrays (and I'm not talking about the blue dot in that stupid National
> Enquirer or whatever either!) Mind you, he tells me I must also learn to
> concentrate. He learned this through yoga. I'm thinking of trying it. If
> anything, I may improve my circulation, flexibility and mental well being.
> Besides, learning something new won't kill me. But I won't wait for any
> miracles after 13 years.
>
> Lots of things probably seemed ridiculous at one point or another. Creating
> moving and close-to-real prosthetic parts for amputees.....organ
> transplantation.....cloning. Where did all these wonderful (not so sure about
> cloning) ideas come from? Someone's head - nuf said.
>
> Jennifer in Windsor, Ontario, Canada (probably be known as the crazy canuck
> who's outta her mind after this! LOL)Hi Jennifer, (and everyone else) Joellen here. I agree, lets not fight
among ourselves, for the most part I find that a lot of healthcare
people don't know diddly about TM so I try to educate people as much as
I can when they ask about it. Case in point: I was in the hospital for
chest pains and problems breathing this weekend (decided after many
tests that it was just SEVERE anxiety attack) and the resident in
charge of my case didn't know anything about TM so I told him all about
what it is and how it can happen to anybody without warning. Maybe he
listened and will be aware of it, maybe he ignored what I said, who
knows. The nurses were all so surprised by how much I did for myself,
(bed to chair transfers with my slide board, dressing myself etc.) and I
told them about TM and what it can involve also. Unless we educate
these people about this they won't know. My roommate also got a short
version of my "lecture" on TM. The more people who know about it the
better off we will be. Since many of the medical commun ity don't know
that TM exist and what it is, how can they say what WILL or WON'T work
on us, for some people these things may be a waste of time and money,
but if they work for you they are not a waste. I for one am glad to
hear of something which may work on one of my own problems, I have tried
somethings and they have worked for me, otherthings simply didn't but
they were worth a try since my Doctors didn't have anything to offer as
far as help goes. I personally hope that some of the technology from
Star Trek (or one of the off shoots) becomes available soon (beam me up
Scottie!!!!)
LOL ;) Joellen