Martin
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Johnnie DeGrand wrote:
>
> Martin, I have always been willing to listen to our Dr's advice...he
> just doesn't have any advice that has worked. There is no cure for
> TM, just supportive treatment. Well I for one am not willing to have
> my son on pain killers the rest of his life. They don't fix anything,
> they just mask the pain. And a back brace for the curve in his spine
> just leaves him not being able to cath himself or transfer himself,
> but the chiropractic techniques have been helping. Our Dr's have been
> wonderful in explaining what is wrong and through listening to all of
> these great people on the list and doing research ourselves we have
> come up with different things that really help. Judi
> ----------
> > From: bibow <bibow(AT)concentric.net>
> > To: Gunny0011 <Gunny0011(AT)aol.com>; tmic-list(AT)eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: Magnets and Other Magical Tricks
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 8:29 AM
> >
> > This is pretty funny.......... you're not willing to listen to a
> medial
> > doctor's (neurologist?) guesses and strategies, but you have no
> problems
> > coming up with theories and remedies yourself!
> > To follow that logic, you should also trust yourself to diagnose
> your PC
> > when it stops working, because it was fixed before by a computer
> > technician but it broke again. Wow........
> > I still am dumbfounded by the general jest that modern medicine &
> > science is uninterested and/or incapable in helping solving the TM
> > puzzle, and that somehow we need to find our own methods of
> treatment.
> > Sure, we all have different "tricks" that work for us, but it is
> > unreasonable to look for confidence in hocus-pocus. Before you all
> get
> > bent out of shape over the inadequacies of modern medicine and
> science,
> > please answer my question: where would human health stand were it
> not
> > for research and science? Would you prefer we go back to blood
> letting
> > or maybe healing by prayer?
> >
> > Besides, your improvement/recovery is typical for people diagnosed
> with
> > TM. But it is of course your right to contribute it to sticking
> magnets
> > in your shorts! LOL
> >
> > All The Best,
> > Martin
> >
> > Personally, I think our best bet is to work with international input
> > from medicine & science, make sure we get multiple opinions, and
> combine
> > that information with our own reasoning to come up with what makes
> > sense. But most importantly: Every day remind yourself that life
> goes
> > on, making it worth living and making damn sure we identify
> ourselves as
> > anything but "victims" of anything. Shit happens, but so does
> happiness.
> >
Now wait a minute, here.
I have no idea what you all are talking about. There seems to be this
fiction circulating among atheists that somehow people turn to God when
tragedy happens; they get "Scared into Religion" as someone so
eloquently put it. This may be true, but isn't it a straw man? Aren't
you saying that fear motivates these people; when fear is removed, the
religiosity will vanish as well; therefore, there is no God?
This, as I'm sure you are aware, is a fallacy of logic.
I came to believe in God when I was 16 years old. I was a drug-abuser,
a gang member, and a member of a "family." I didn't need any crutch,
and not much scares me. Not even TM. No one did (or could) manipulate
me, or scare me, into becoming a Christian. I decided to believe.
Soon after, I suffered an asthma attack during which my HR was over
300, my ETCO2 was 80, BP showed "error," and I was dead when I reached
the hospital. That's dead. Kaput. No heart rate. No pulse or
cardio-eloctrologram. Flatliner. My dad, who had rushed to the
hospital, came in the room when the docs were about to pack it up. He
prayed for me. And now, here I sit.
Or maybe I'm just silly.
Maybe what really should have happened was that one of those stupid
doctors should have laid a magnet on my chest and chanted a few bars of
"It's Magic." Instead, they told me that it was a miracle. The doctors
told me. And they were pretty much all atheists...up to that point.
Yes, this is unusually caustic. But you say it's "silly" to pray, yet
sensible to trust a chunk of molecularly aligned ferrous oxide? Just
goes to show that we all have our gods.
Steve
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Sumer was in an accident the day before she got TM. It was a very minor fender bender. We were parked
and a car swirved and hit us from behind. It didn't seem to much impact. But the lady beeped her horn first
and Sumer remembers turning and seeing the car where she hit us. Right after the accident Sumer went into our
church whuile took care of the paper work. She said when she was in church her lower back started to hurt,
but then went away. We went to a craft fair after church and while we were walking she said her legs hurt a
little, but that also went away. She was fine until the next day around 5:00pm when she said her back hurt, I
told her to go take a hot bath. when she sat down into the water her legs went numb. When I took her to the
hospital I ddid not mention the accident right away, because I did not think of it. I later told them about it.
Could the TM have been caused by the accident? Might she had jerked a certain way that caused the spinal
cord to swell? Please, give us your input.